Global Warming V1.0

[BWSmith]

Are ya'll referring to the El Nino of the 90's or the 70's?


El Nino Video

[morti]

1997 was widely held to be the worst El Nino ever. It is that one I am thinking of. I did some quick research that entirely did not support my position, so I guess I am probably wrong.

[Ptorgeaux]

Doesn't seem like much to debate over here, but here is one of my favorite points:
Precipitation is the primary mechanism by which glaciers gain mass.
When the air warms, it has the ability to hold more moisture, so when the air cools over glaciers there will be more precipitation.
Hence: Global warming causes glaciers to... grow?
Interesting debate we had at UGA between two professors notorious for discussing the issue. Global Warming Debate 2007 - Warnell School of Forestry and Natural Resources. It's kinda long, so only look at it if you have the patience for it.

[project_evolution]

im also not sure as to if global warming actually exists or is simply a natural fluctuation of the earths climate.i did however think it would only be fair to interject with the insane conspiracy theory aproach here.has anyone thought that some of the climate changes may be due at least somewhat in part to the manipulation of the earths magnetic field by the u.s and several others using focused pulsable antenna arrays such as the haarp project?

[telefrag]

Originally Posted by project_evolution

im also not sure as to if global warming actually exists or is simply a natural fluctuation of the earths climate.i did however think it would only be fair to interject with the insane conspiracy theory aproach here.has anyone thought that some of the climate changes may be due at least somewhat in part to the manipulation of the earths magnetic field by the u.s and several others using focused pulsable antenna arrays such as the haarp project?

yeah, I have thought about the pending pole reversal as a catalyst

But natural cycles or not, the reduction in rain forests on a unprecedented scale, and the addition of a few billion people cant be figured into a natural cycle, primarily because there has never been this many people, or deforestation on such a scale in any recorded history that im aware of.

those two factors cant be ignored as possible contributors.

[torlax]

Originally Posted by toker

It is only a theroy that co2 and what not is causing things to heat up. Again I point out that we have only been watching the weather, the polar ice caps and everything else only a couple hundred years. This rock has been spinning several million years. How can you even think to work a trend with that little data.
Ponder this for a second... everything that has an end has a start. When did the ice caps form? And if you think about that, if they formed at any given time then you would have to realize that at one point there was not suffecent temps to support the ice caps. So at that point there was a trend for cooling.
Now, lets talk ice age. There wouldnt have been an ice age if the world was always one temp, so... there had to be a trend to colder over a bit of time.
Now, if there was warm, then ice age, now heading back to warm, ... dont you think that is a more logical than, oh man we are killing the planet?
Now, dont get me wrong, can we hurt the planet? sure, I am not stupid enough to think that dumping oil out of my car on the ground isnt going to hurt something. The question is, will me pouring oil on the ground forever destroy the earth I put it on? No, why you might ask? I went out and got the strongest weed killer I could buy, dumped it on some grass that is really bugging me. Two weeks later, it was back.
LIFE will go on.
I really dont think we can destroy this planet... hurt sure, but kill... no.

I have one thing to add, that we well are polluting our planet and are adding the Global Warming to the whole planet, but that comes with the overpopulation we have, and we are using all the supplys that this planet has to offer by burning and adding stuff to the air that doesn't need to be there, if you go to Denver or any big City, and look up, you will see a brown haze hanging over, that is eating away the Ozone and causing the Suns Bad rays to shine through and make it hotter and more likely that people will get suncancer. I know what you are saying is quite true that i can't make a good enough point with what i provided. But burning puts things in to the atmosphere that is causing the Global Warming, and we as humans are really the only things on this planet that are putting it there.

[toker]

Originally Posted by torlax

I have one thing to add, that we well are polluting our planet and are adding the Global Warming to the whole planet, but that comes with the overpopulation we have, and we are using all the supplys that this planet has to offer by burning and adding stuff to the air that doesn't need to be there, if you go to Denver or any big City, and look up, you will see a brown haze hanging over, that is eating away the Ozone and causing the Suns Bad rays to shine through and make it hotter and more likely that people will get suncancer. I know what you are saying is quite true that i can't make a good enough point with what i provided. But burning puts things in to the atmosphere that is causing the Global Warming, and we as humans are really the only things on this planet that are putting it there.

Not fully true. What about forest fires? how many millions of acres of land are burned every year, we didn't cause it, something sparked and poof you have tones of junk being put into the air.

You cant simply point to one thing and say that is the cause of this. That was my point in the post you quoted me saying. I said we could hurt, sure we can hurt, but kill ... no.

Are we helping things along, perhaps, but are WE to take the full blame? No, not possible.

Like I said, with the little amount of data we have, there is NO way to say for sure anything is causing something and be 100% sure about it.

The sad thing really is, if enough people say something is true, seems thats all it takes to be true.

[toker]

Here is something for you all to ponder. When I first start posting in this thread I said something to the effect that we humans are only responsible for "4% of the overall co2 into the atmosphere (source talk raido)"

A lot of you shot that down as it does seem a bit out there, BUT.. lol... here is proof it might not be that far off...

Modern politics sure is entertaining sometimes, especially when one politically correct cause threatens another one as in Norway where that country's moose population is being blamed for contributing to global warming:

The poor old Scandinavian moose is now being blamed for climate change, with researchers in Norway claiming that a grown moose can produce 2,100 kilos of methane a year -- equivalent to the CO2 output resulting from a 13,000 kilometer car journey.

Norway is concerned that its national animal, the moose, is harming the climate by emitting an estimated 2,100 kilos of carbon dioxide a year through its belching and farting.

Norwegian newspapers, citing research from Norway's technical university, said a motorist would have to drive 13,000 kilometers in a car to emit as much CO2 as a moose does in a year.

Much like cows, bacteria in a moose's stomach create methane gas which is considered even more destructive to the environment than carbon gas. Cows pose the same problem.


Still, I don't see too much of a conflict emerging between PETA types and Al Gore followers since solving the "moose problem" doesn't involve restrictive government regulations and expensive government programs they can profit from.

Source: Norwegian Moose Blamed for Global Warming | NewsBusters.org

That is only one source of many, I heard about it on the raido and did a google search.

Since moose are not farmed like cows, it sure shoots a hole in the, if we were not eating meat there wouldnt be as many cows...

And for those of you were are wondering just how far 13,000 kilometers are, it happens to be 8,077.8255 miles.