Redtailboa.net  

Welcome to the Redtailboa.net forums.

You are currently viewing our boards as a guest which gives you limited access to view most discussions and access our other features. By joining our free community you will have access to post topics, communicate privately with other members (PM), respond to polls, free photo gallery (10 meg upload limit), free classifieds, upload content and access many other special features. Registration is fast, simple and absolutely free so please, join our community today!

If you have any problems with the registration process or your account login, please contact contact us.

Go Back   Redtailboa.net > SNAKES > Colubrid
Register FAQ Members List Calendar Arcade Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read

Advertisement
ballboutique  
 

» Site Navigation
» Home
 > Chat!
» Recent Threads
Green/Labyrinth Update! ...
Last post by spike06
Today 01:51 AM
15 Replies, 248 Views
Interbreeding question
Last post by Ranger
Today 01:48 AM
3 Replies, 29 Views
burnt face frog
Last post by LukaTisus
Today 01:41 AM
7 Replies, 57 Views
acurite=not very accurate
Last post by KyleZ
Today 01:41 AM
2 Replies, 3 Views
Leaving for a bit.
Last post by spike06
Today 01:33 AM
1 Replies, 2 Views
Mold question
Last post by Ranger
Today 01:28 AM
0 Replies, 1 Views
small FIRE in the...
Last post by KyleZ
Today 01:19 AM
10 Replies, 89 Views
» Ads

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1 (permalink)  
Old 11-09-2004, 03:17 AM
Eraser's Avatar
Eraser Eraser is offline
Regular RTB User
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Canada
Posts: 58
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Points: 963.69
Bank: 0.00
Total Points: 963.69
Donate
Rep Power: 12
Eraser is on a distinguished road
winter eating!!

Hey!
I was just wondering if its normal for my mexican to not eat as much as she did in the summer.. before it got cold here.. well cold being like 40-50s she was eating 3 pinkies... every 7-10 days.. now she'll only eat 2!! (same size as before)... everything else is the same... Just curious if other colubrids act the same way in the cooler months!!

Thanks!!

Eraser
Add Post to del.icio.usFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
  #2 (permalink)  
Old 11-09-2004, 03:22 AM
reptilemama's Avatar
reptilemama reptilemama is offline
I am an RTB Addict !
 
Join Date: May 2001
Location: Moline, IL
Posts: 1,349
Thanks: 3
Thanked 10 Times in 8 Posts
Points: 11,242.08
Bank: 96,444,707.07
Total Points: 96,455,949.15
Donate
Rep Power: 75
reptilemama will become famous soon enough
Send a message via Yahoo to reptilemama Send a message via Skype™ to reptilemama
A lot of colubrids will slow down for the winter. May I ask why you're feeding 3 pinkies instead of one larger prey item? It's easier on their system to get one appropriately sized prey item a week instead of multiple smaller ones. Look for something about as big around as she is at her largest point. That may get her feeding better. If it doesn't, keep offering food, but maybe not quite as often, like every two weeks instead of evey week. As long as she's not loosing weight, she should be ok and should feed more regularly in the spring.
Add Post to del.icio.usFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
  #3 (permalink)  
Old 11-09-2004, 03:37 AM
Ed_r's Avatar
Ed_r Ed_r is offline
I Really Need a Life !
 
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Chicago, Il
Posts: 3,479
Thanks: 0
Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts
Points: 11,943.19
Bank: 0.00
Total Points: 11,943.19
Donate
Rep Power: 156
Ed_r is on a distinguished road
Send a message via Yahoo to Ed_r
Quote:
Originally Posted by Eraser
Hey!
I was just wondering if its normal for my mexican to not eat as much as she did in the summer.. before it got cold here.. well cold being like 40-50s she was eating 3 pinkies... every 7-10 days.. now she'll only eat 2!! (same size as before)... everything else is the same... Just curious if other colubrids act the same way in the cooler months!!

Thanks!!

Eraser
A colubrid thats still able to eat pinks, should not have a temp drop, and normally wornt have that much of a feeding decrease. Feeding 3 pinks sounds like you should be able to move up to a fuzzy or crawler then

What temps do you have the snake at? the cage isnt getting in the 40-50s is it?
Add Post to del.icio.usFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
  #4 (permalink)  
Old 11-09-2004, 04:59 PM
telefrag's Avatar
telefrag telefrag is offline
Administrator
 
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: DFW Texas
Posts: 5,456
Thanks: 103
Thanked 370 Times in 264 Posts
Points: 3,282.85
Bank: 11,094,761.56
Total Points: 11,098,044.41
Donate
Rep Power: 1059
telefrag has a reputation beyond reputetelefrag has a reputation beyond reputetelefrag has a reputation beyond reputetelefrag has a reputation beyond reputetelefrag has a reputation beyond reputetelefrag has a reputation beyond reputetelefrag has a reputation beyond reputetelefrag has a reputation beyond reputetelefrag has a reputation beyond reputetelefrag has a reputation beyond reputetelefrag has a reputation beyond repute
Send a message via AIM to telefrag


Quote:
Originally Posted by reptilemama
A lot of colubrids will slow down for the winter. May I ask why you're feeding 3 pinkies instead of one larger prey item? It's easier on their system to get one appropriately sized prey item a week instead of multiple smaller ones. Look for something about as big around as she is at her largest point. That may get her feeding better. If it doesn't, keep offering food, but maybe not quite as often, like every two weeks instead of evey week. As long as she's not loosing weight, she should be ok and should feed more regularly in the spring.

While im usually a proponent of feeding one appropriately sized prey item, im going to have to disagree that its NOT easier on their system.

Digesting several smaller food items is actually easier on a snake in many cases than digesting one large prey item.

In fact most colubrids (kings/milks/rats most notably) will often choose multiple smaller food items rather than taking on a large food item.

Simple math: this will be a wild snake scenario, not captive, but we also must recognize that captive snakes still have wild tendencies, and what works in nature often works in captivity (with a few exceptions)


large prey item: your a rat snake thats about 3-4 feet long, and you happen upon a rat nest.
the momma rat runs off to save herself (in most cases), the snake is left behind with 8 barely weened rats.
Does anyone really think that this rat snake will pass up the babies and go after the adult?
nope... when presented with an opportunity to consume multiple smaller food items that will be inherently less dangerous than an adult rat (which can defend itself pretty well against a snake, as we all know) the snake will then take on the role as a nest raider.
(which is well known in several species of snake)

Do snakes that eat smaller food items experience more health problems than a snake that eats larger prey.

I seriously doubt it, in fact, i'd lean the opposite.

Also, smaller prey items digest faster, and will turn itself back into useable energy long before a larger food item will.

now this can increase metabolism, but probably not so much so that it will constitute a health risk.


So in my opinion, if your snake likes 3 pinks (during the warm parts of the year) then keep feeding it that way.

When pinks are a ridiculously small food item for your snake, then move up to something more substantial.

But during cooler months, your snake may very likely reduce its food intake, all of mine do starting in November.
Its a much welcome respite to cage cleaning, and high rodent bills.

Hope that was all understandable.

Im not dogging on anyone, just disagreeing based on experience, and lots of reading on predator prey relationships, and foraging theory.
Add Post to del.icio.usFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
  #5 (permalink)  
Old 11-10-2004, 04:09 AM
Eraser's Avatar
Eraser Eraser is offline
Regular RTB User
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Canada
Posts: 58
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Points: 963.69
Bank: 0.00
Total Points: 963.69
Donate
Rep Power: 12
Eraser is on a distinguished road
Ok heres the repsonse you your questions... The temp on the hot side is 80 and the cool is about 76.. in the summer... it was about 86 on hot side and 80ish on cool side.. so the temp has gone down a bit.. but i soon plan on getting a stronger heat lamp for the viv.... i tried moving up to pinkie rats.. but she had nothing do with them... i tried scenting them with a pinkie.. not feeding her for a longer time.. but she just loves her pinkies!!! the only reason she's on 3.. is because they are like pee wee pinkies... maybe i'll try the next step up... fuzzy??? but i dunno!! I don't think she particularly liked the size of the head on the pinki rat!!! perhaps i'll try it out in the summer when her appetite returns... She had a great shed a few weeks ago!! and she's fit as a fiddle!!

Thanks for the advice... I was just wondering if it was nomral for the appetite to decrease...
and you answered that question for me...

Thanks again!!
Add Post to del.icio.usFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
  #6 (permalink)  
Old 11-10-2004, 04:13 AM
reptilemama's Avatar
reptilemama reptilemama is offline
I am an RTB Addict !
 
Join Date: May 2001
Location: Moline, IL
Posts: 1,349
Thanks: 3
Thanked 10 Times in 8 Posts
Points: 11,242.08
Bank: 96,444,707.07
Total Points: 96,455,949.15
Donate
Rep Power: 75
reptilemama will become famous soon enough
Send a message via Yahoo to reptilemama Send a message via Skype™ to reptilemama
Interesting thoughts, there, telefrag. I had always heard that multiple small prey items would not pass through the digestive tract as quickly as one larger one, so there was greater chance of the last rodent or two (depending on how many were fed) rotting in the gut while the first were still being digested.
Add Post to del.icio.usFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
  #7 (permalink)  
Old 11-10-2004, 07:07 PM
telefrag's Avatar
telefrag telefrag is offline
Administrator
 
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: DFW Texas
Posts: 5,456
Thanks: 103
Thanked 370 Times in 264 Posts
Points: 3,282.85
Bank: 11,094,761.56
Total Points: 11,098,044.41
Donate
Rep Power: 1059
telefrag has a reputation beyond reputetelefrag has a reputation beyond reputetelefrag has a reputation beyond reputetelefrag has a reputation beyond reputetelefrag has a reputation beyond reputetelefrag has a reputation beyond reputetelefrag has a reputation beyond reputetelefrag has a reputation beyond reputetelefrag has a reputation beyond reputetelefrag has a reputation beyond reputetelefrag has a reputation beyond repute
Send a message via AIM to telefrag


Its been cited in numerous articles, books, and journals that most snakes naturally prefer smaller prey items to large.

I think the time it takes to digest depends on environmental variables.

Larger food items, I would expect a large rat would take longer to digest then say 4 weanlings.

But then again, there are too many variables to really say accurately one way or the other.

But I cant say I find many wild snakes with really large bulges from a meal.
Add Post to del.icio.usFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
  #8 (permalink)  
Old 11-10-2004, 07:43 PM
JuliusSqueezer's Avatar
JuliusSqueezer JuliusSqueezer is offline
Guru of Poo
 
Join Date: Feb 2001
Location: Atlanta Ga
Posts: 15,581
Thanks: 99
Thanked 518 Times in 283 Posts
Points: 64,052.37
Bank: 7,016,109.72
Total Points: 7,080,162.09
Donate
Rep Power: 0
JuliusSqueezer has a reputation beyond reputeJuliusSqueezer has a reputation beyond reputeJuliusSqueezer has a reputation beyond reputeJuliusSqueezer has a reputation beyond reputeJuliusSqueezer has a reputation beyond reputeJuliusSqueezer has a reputation beyond reputeJuliusSqueezer has a reputation beyond reputeJuliusSqueezer has a reputation beyond reputeJuliusSqueezer has a reputation beyond reputeJuliusSqueezer has a reputation beyond reputeJuliusSqueezer has a reputation beyond repute
Send a message via Yahoo to JuliusSqueezer




I agree with frag in the case of most snakes (colubrids are most snakes) Most rats, kings etc, I always refer to as "nest raiders" There are many others especially amongst the boids that this just will not work though. For instance, if you feed Emeralds or rainbow boas multiple prey itens (more than 2), you will likely be cleaning up some puke. Pythons seem to handle multi-prey better than most boas. Snakes have a very primative digestive system. Has anyone else ever noticed that if you feed them meals too close together that the poop starts looking almost like whole rats? My theory on this is that while their system is sucking nutrients from food and a fresh meal richer in nutrients comes along, the old meal is abandoned by the enzymes more or less ...ok, maybe not quite that much of a thought process is likely coming from bacteria but maybe they are drawn away from the old meal to the new meal somehow? temps play a big role in what they can handle and what they can't too. When I feed my adult female boas, every other feeding I feed them 2 rats. This past feeding I had 2 boas puke back up just one of their rats but kept the other down the next day...stunk up everything. My son refused to come in the house till it aired out lol.

A couple of years ago, I sat on a stool and kept tossing mice at 7 feet of tiger ratsnake. I think I fed him 6 mice total. I had always heard that they prefer smaller prey so I tried it. I was amazed at how fast he swallowed it. He snarfed them down in one gulp and the lump moved down his neck and into the stomach with amazing speed. He would take the next one sometimes a second or 2 after the first one and you could see 2 little lumps go down at once. All the while, I'm picturing this snake in the wild up in a tree raiding a bird's nest, eating as fast as he can so he could get out of there before momma bird flogs his eyes out...but anyway, like I said, I agree with frag especially on colubrids but I think it's dangerous to assume that this applies to just any snake.
Add Post to del.icio.usFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Reply



Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

Points Per Thread View: 0.25
Points Per Thread: 1.00
Points Per Reply: 0.50

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
HELP he's eating sand Adidas624o Geckos 8 03-22-2005 10:26 PM
Help He's eating sand Adidas624o Geckos 11 10-30-2004 10:34 PM
Our RTB doing her favorite thing--- eating (dial up warning) nomadbean Post Your Pics 1 01-05-2003 04:08 AM
bad eating habits titums Feeding 5 10-04-2002 07:41 AM
My BPs eat, but my BCI stopped eating!! slaponte Feeding 5 07-25-2002 01:33 AM

Powered by vBadvanced CMPS v2.2.0

All times are GMT +1. The time now is 01:53 AM.


Debt Consolidation | Free Advertising | Music For Myspace | Credit Report | Bad Credit Mortgages
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.10
Copyright ©2000 - 2008, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
SEO by vBSEO 3.0.0 RC6
Copyright 2000-2004 Redtailboa.net. The comments are property of their posters,
Redtailboa.net Top Herp Sites
[Output: 115.41 Kb. compressed to 109.83 Kb. by saving 5.57 Kb. (4.83%)]