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Old 03-13-2006, 01:57 AM
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DIY 108x24x24 project - Ball Python

Recently I became interested in getting a pet snake... but that's for a post in the Ball forum. So check there for the long version. Suffice it to say I'm probably going to get a Ball Python, but might flip flop to a Corn Snake.

It's going to be at least three months before I can get a snake as I live in the dorms on an Air Force base, and snakes aren't welcome pets. (only fish) So I have a good three months to work on this project.

At lunch today I drew up preliminary plans for a 108x24x24 habitat (no, not on a napkin), and checked lowes for the materials. I'll try to put into writing my idea as best as possible. Oh, and at current, I only plan to have one Ball in the habitat.

The bottom, sides, and back of the cage are OSB board. On the front are three panels of plexiglass, each 36x24. They will be secured to the front framing with bolts. There are two vertical framings near the center to attach the frames of plexiglass to.

It should look like this:

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For the top will be three lids, hinged in the back with weatherstrip latches in the front (the type that hook onto the latch, then pull down as the latch is secured) There will be weather stripping along the mating surfaces of all three lids. Also, all three lids use "animal screen" which I found in the screen door section of Lowes. I plan to secure the screen by sandwiching the screen between two pieces of wood and securing with bolts or screws. I may decide, however, to just screen the center one, and keep the two sides solid covers so I can secure things onto them like vines or basking lamps.

Internally, I'm going for a mix of natural habitat possibly with a medieval motif. (I think those castles and ruins that are put in fish tanks would look neat) Branches, half logs, rocks and such. Hey, perhaps even some potted cacti.

Another thing I want to do is have a running water feature within the habitat where the water is continually filtered. It appears that none of the standard fish tank filters would work as they get water from the top of a tank. I'll probably have a tube running into the bottom of the cage where the water will drain down to a pump on the floor wich will push water up into a filter which will expel the water into the water feature.

Okay, for those of you still reading, here are my questions.

First, is there any type of wood I should avoid, or conversely, a type of wood that would be recommended? I want to use poplar for the trim, and OSB board for the bottom, back, and sides.

I'm also going to stain the wood on the outside. For the inside, I want to make the bottom of the cage waterproof so that any spills won't seep into the wood and cause rot. Should I seal the bottom of the cage, or should I rather put something like linoleum on the bottom, and use a silicone sealant around the edges?

For heating purposes, what's a good thing to put on the bottom for heating the floor of the habitat? Should I leave an area unheated so that the Ball will have more options? I do plan to have two or three hides in the habitat, and I'll be locating them in different temperature zones.

The final thing is I also plan to have an additional 36x24x24 habitat on the floor, and connected to the main habitat by either PVC pipe or preferrably those hamster habitat tubes - but it looks like an adult Ball will get too thick to fit through something like that. This cage, of course, is the feeding cage where it's food will be placed. Yes, I do plan to do either frozen or fresh kill. (I saw the flame war... I mean "Live Pile" thread) Any other types of clear pipes or tubing wich I can use? And how large in diameter to Balls usually get, so I know the minimum inner diameter to use.

Okay, so now that that's all out of the way, any advice, or concerns would be greatly appreciated! I haven't purchased any of the materials yet, but hope to start on this project later this month. So if I'm making any STOOPID mistakes, now's the time to to tell me I'm an
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why so big? seems like a good idea but it sounds to me like your getting an anaconda or something lol
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BTW i would use oak for all the sides and sand it a bit and stain it and put a lot of sealer on it (dont know what its called) and you can use 3 or 4 inch pvc pipe for the feeding cage and it will work fine, for the filter you can use a canister filter
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why so big? seems like a good idea but it sounds to me like your getting an anaconda or something lol
I like to go overboard! I also want plenty of room for when the snake gets to be a 30-48' adult. And if I get addicted, then I'd be able to add more without having to expand.
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ahhh Good on for serving the Air Force bro..



however

A 9ft cage?? you could house an adult Burm in that if ya made the height and width a bit bigger as well...say around 108x36x36

IIRC Ball's tend to prefer smaller cages....Say around 36x24x24

Ya might wanna look into that before ya lay out a bunch of cash for a cage that is to large
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you will be ok as long as you have a TON of fake plants and hides, the snake shouldnt have to move around in open space.
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thats about 6' too big for a ball, and a corn wouldnt need anything that big, lol. also, whats with the "when the snake gets to be a 38-40' adult? ball pythons get from 3-5' and corns around 4-5' i believe
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i hope he meant a 38-40" adult because a 40 foot ball python sounds like something out of a bad movie lol
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And if I get addicted, then I'd be able to add more without having to expand.
The 9 foot cage is a bit overkill for a Ball Python, and if you get addicted and add another snake you'll need another cage for that snake. No matter how big the cage you shouldn't be housing two snakes together.
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Typically it is not recommended to house more than one snake per enclosure...Many reasons, but the most important ones are: parasites and illnesses.
Make sure any new snakes you do bring in stay quarantined in a separate room due to the threat of IBD, which is fatal and there is no cure.

As far as sealing the wood surfaces, I would use polyurathane (low odor) and seal it with that, or a water sealer.

You really dont NEED that big of a house for your BP. Just make sure she/he has hides, fresh water (which sounds like you have covered) and adequate heat. Most people prefer the under tank heating pads available at pet stores. These provide a warm area for your snake to go to if it needs to, Typically one half of the tank should be cooler at 74-76 degrees and warmer side should be around 84-86. The humidity should be around 60% and 70-80% during shed times.

Usually substrates that are best are aspen, Kraft paper, or news print. The latter two being cheaper, and no risk of wood shavings being lodged in the snakes mouth during feeding.
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Dan that cage sounds good for adult BCC or a male Burm but it is way to big for a ball python.
I would go with a cage that is 36" or 48" long for a ball.

I use Kane heat mats for all my wood cages. In my opinion they are the best heat mat you can buy.

Here is how I seal my cages.
I use Minwax Helmsman Spar Urethane to seal the cages inside and outside.
http://www.minwax.com/products/protective/helmsman.cfm
The bottom of each cage is sealed with a clear, high build epoxy finish to aid in cleaning, and prevent water damage to the cages.