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Old 03-28-2002, 07:08 AM
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Now I've never bred any snakes, and I dont know if I never will.

But in researching boas, and snakes in general, I have been to probably a hundred or more websites, and one fact seems to become more and more clear to me...

People here in America don't seem to be worried about species purity when breeding snakes as much as people in Europe or Asia.

Even here on this site, I read people's posts that say "I got a boa, you got a boa, lets breed 'em", or, "I am getting a boa from so-and-so to breed with the one I got from someone or another" -- OR -- "If my het for stripes is bred with my half possible albino..." ETC, ETC.

People here ( in this country) also seem to use "boa" "BCC" "BCI" "RedTail" almost interchangably, as opposed to referring to a particular species by its proper name.
While thats not a problem in the course of conversation, in breeding that sort of generality would seem to me wildly irresponsible.

It seems that people here in the states are much more concerned with het this or albino that and any other mutation or anamoly or morph than preserving exotic species as they were meant to be, and as beautiful as they naturally are.
Also I would suspect that cross breeding is also weakening the gene pool, and many of the "mutations" or "morphs" are probably not as healthy as they should be.

In this age of vanishing habitats, and over hunting, wouldnt it make more sense to concentrate on PRESERVING these species' through CAREFUL breeding? Rather than supplying more "mutations" to those who just want to own another "morph" for their "coolness" factor.


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i totally agree with you 100% some people breed for money, some people breed to make a better boa, most just dont know, care or a combo of the two.

i talk about this on a few other sites n stuff, alot disagree with me, most prolly just dont care.
when ever you see me talk boa you'll always see me talk latin name and locale. i personally am spending so much money aquiring boas i know to be 100% true in locale. i have a few awesome resources.

bci, is bci- but there are many locale in the bci range and all are unique to their habitat and in there looks. alot dont care- i hear bci is bci all the time!! that is not true.
i have 2 types of colombian boas- just because they are colombian dont mean they are the same and should be bred. i northern colombians who are bci- brown/ yellow with orange brown tails. the southern colombians are bcc!

i have 3 different types of mexican boas alone!!! all mexican, all bci locality- mexico- all different and unique to their own areas.

this is extremely hard for me to do. i am also spending waaaaay more than i thought on doing this. i have people who go and get the animals themselves- thats how i know 100% i also know several breeders who have done all of this themselves who have 100%

i also have several contacts across seas who have a better shot at getting stuff i cant. some countries over there dont have the same policies as the US. where they can buy from the countries, the US cant always do that.

i dont know if i ever told anyone my goal- so here it is: i am trying to get every boa from every locality in the world!!! and a few pythons too [img]modules/Forum/images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif[/img]

when i launch my site in the near future you'll see what i'm talking about. i will have a full section with detailed maps and pics of my collection. (taken by a real photographer, i suck)

also, if you want- i think i can share some of my contacts with you.

dont get me wrong- i love the morphs- i plan on getting plenty of things happening, but they will be label a such- all morphs are crosses. i will not breed them to any of my pure stock.

there is nothing like looking at a beautiful boa- pure!!! they have stronger coloration, sharper markings- when you see what is flooding the market out there you'll see why buying pure is so much better- it has so much more weight for scientific and preservation reasons too!!! us humans are messing everything up. [img]modules/Forum/images/smiles/icon_evil.gif[/img]

if you do decide to get into a project like this (not as heavy as me) you'll see how hard it really is. you cant trust anybody. you have to find some people and start getting nosey. there are good ones out there [img]modules/Forum/images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif[/img]

that is a very good observation, and true too [img]modules/Forum/images/smiles/icon_wink.gif[/img]

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plus in the summer of 2003 i am hitting a few CA counties and goingto the mother land of the best snake- COLOMBIA!!! [img]modules/Forum/images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif[/img] i am gonna try to get some animals too!!! i am just working out on how- LEGALLY!
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thats really cool...cb76...you must have spent a lot of money on the snakes andthis journey you're taking...i think what you're trying to do is really interesting good luck... [img]modules/Forum/images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif[/img]
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cb76 --

I dont know if I will EVER breed my snakes -- but I would like to get and keep QUALITY animals...

Which it seems will get harder and harder to do...

Anyway, thanks for the reply, and I'm looking forward to seeing your site.

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thats great, cb! not many people are dedicated to quality in that way. I myself plan on aquiring more herps starting in 2005 ( one of my current jobs can have me relocate anytime, so I don't want to stress any herps out by moving more than I have to ) but you can bet in a few years, when your project is up and running, and I'm ready and settled down, I'll definatly get up with you for some of your quality snakes ( you are going to be selling the offspring, correct?) -Juggalo
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