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Old 06-17-2008, 04:02 AM
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Re: BCI or...?

okay............I'm lost.Someone please teach me what you all are talking about. "colombian/nic cross " , "central american/mexico "????

How do I know what my snake is?

I am serious, I want to learn
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okay............I'm lost.Someone please teach me what you all are talking about. "colombian/nic cross " , "central american/mexico "????
How do I know what my snake is?
I am serious, I want to learn
Sorry but the only real way to know, is to collect it from the wild yourself. Anything else is an educated guess. It helps to buy from a reputable breeder. There are many visual clues that lead us to attribute a snake to a certain type, subspecies or locale.
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Re: BCI or...?

I don't think there is a person on the earth who can 100% ID any snake from a photograph. Some obvious factors that contribute to the problem:
Cross breeding (intentional AND unintentional).
Incorrect ID on the location of capture (whether on purpose or by mistake).
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Re: BCI or...?

I can't even make guess, it's awefully unique to me. I find that snake beautiful. Very clean and all that silver looks awesome.
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okay............I'm lost.Someone please teach me what you all are talking about. "colombian/nic cross " , "central american/mexico "????
How do I know what my snake is?
I am serious, I want to learn


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Sorry but the only real way to know, is to collect it from the wild yourself. Anything else is an educated guess. It helps to buy from a reputable breeder. There are many visual clues that lead us to attribute a snake to a certain type, subspecies or locale.
----PLEASE NOTE THAT ALL PICS WERE PULLED OFF OF A GOOGLE IMAGE SEARCH. I AM NOT CLAIMING TO OWN ANY OF THESE SNAKES (NOR DO I). IF I POSTED A PIC OF YOUR SNAKE IT WAS SIMPLY USED AS AN EXAMPLE. I TOOK NONE OF THESE PICTURES.-----
Mpgt is pretty much right. They only way to know for sure is to collect from the wild. However, there are very good indicators as to where a boa can come from.
Let's say you start with a completely foreign snake. You have no idea where it came from or how old it is. The first thing to do is to determine whether or not it is a BCI or a BCC. Most of the time it is easy enough to look at it and tell. However the only way to know for sure is a ventral scale count, midbody scale count, and a saddle count.
BCC's have a ventral scale count of about 234 to 250, a midbody scale count of 89-95, and less than 20 saddles.
BCI's have a normally around 250+ ventral scales, 55-79 midbody scales, and normally 21 or more saddles.
Now, due to crossbreeding between bci's and bcc's it a mix some times. You'll get a good scale count and an unmatching saddle count, etc.
That is the only true way to tell and be sure. Easier ways are just by learning what physical characteristics come along with bcis and bccs, such as 'peaks' on the saddles of many bcc's, or a deeper red tail on bcc's. Also most bcc's have a very clean (or more clean) appearance than a bci.
BCI's are almost always smaller than bcc's. BCI's will get 7-9 ft, while bcc's will get anywhere from 8 or 9-11 ft.
After you've figured out if you've got a bci or a bcc, you've cut the possibilities in half. If you've got a bci, it came from central america, possibily the caribbean islands or the Sonoran desert of Mexico just to name a few places.
If you got a bcc, chances are it came from south america. Whether it be from peru, argentina, guyana, suriname, ... or pretty much the amazon basin. These boas are going to have a much more intense color than BCI's.
Now, moving into specific areas of BCI's and BCC's. This is not an exact science by any means, however, there are differences from bci to bci, and bcc to bcc.
For example Hogg Island boas and Nicaraguan boas are both BCI's. But look at the difference.
The Hogg Island

The Nicaraguan

And here is your common bci...

Now, here is a common BCI X Hogg Island

This is how we can guess. There are traits from both locales in the snake.
Onto BCC's...
You can look at an argentine and a suriname and see the difference plain as day.
Here is the argentine....

Here is the Suri...

Now compare the Suri to the guyana...

See anything different?
Now compare the Guyanan to the Peruvian...

There are no exact methods to doing this accurately other than collecting from the wild. But visual characteristics are sometimes hints to guessing where a snake came from.
As for snakes like this one, which happens to be 25% argentine (bcc), 25% Hogg (bci), and 50% columbian (bci), no one would have guessed had we not known its dams and sires.

Anyway,
I hope a few noob's find this an learn a thing or two. Anyone out there have anything to add (or correct) feel free to throw up a post.

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Re: BCI or...?

Just an FYI - The Boas that come from Guyana, Surinam, French Guiana, and eastern Venezuala are all the same Boa. Brazilian "Amarali" may very well be BCC, but thats for another discusssion.
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Re: BCI or...?

Argentine boas are not Bcc, they are Boa constrictor occidentalis.
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