Central American/Suriname

[obelix]

Does anyone have any pictures of what the offspring of a Suriname and a Central American?

Obelix

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[morti]

Hi Obelix!

I don't have any pics of that particular cross, but why would you want to do it? That is two different sub-species of animal that would never have the opertunity to cross in the wild.

There are a lot of people here with a lot of strong feelings about making cross-breed or Mut boas, so it will probably be difficult to find the pics you are looking for.

Oh, and WELCOME TO REDTAILBOA.NET!!!

-Your Sick Uncle Morti.
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[obelix]

Well I have a male Central American and a Female Suriname that I house in the same cage, and if they ever did mate, then I'd be interested in what the offspring would look like.

I'm not really interested in the politics of what others think about crossbreeding.
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No offense Charles, but asking a question about such a controversial topic is going to get you answers and comments about the ethics of hybridizing and integrading.

As to what I think they'd look like, I'd say...mutts. They definitely wouldn't have the visual appeal that a BCC does, as their color would be &quot;muddied&quot; by the Central American influence. Colombian x Surinam has the benefit of some intensified colors, but a CA x Suri would be butt-ugly, IMO.

Although I am more of a purist, I don't have a problem with hybrids &amp; integrades, so long as they're never misrepresented.

All that sordid business aside, welcome to rtb.
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	Boa Constrictor Constrictor Red Tail Boa Constrictor (Boa constictor constrictor). Refers to "true" red tail boas such as the Guyana and Suriname locales.

	Suriname Redtail Boa Red Tail Boa Constrictor (Boa constrictor constrictor) from the locale of Suriname. Considered to be a "True" Red Tail.

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[Dr.Oviparous]

I also have very negitive feelings towards cross breeding. What are we going to do when it is up to us to replenish the snakes in the wild, and we no longer have any pure species, just mutts? Why not sell one, so you can 1.1 of the same species. or even better, why not buy another BCC, or BCI to compliment on of yours? I agree with ken, the offspring of the two would not be good looking at all IMO.

This is a great site having a lot to do with this situation:
Hermann + Erika Stöckl .

Oh, and Welcome to RTB! -Juggalo
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	Boa Constrictor Constrictor Red Tail Boa Constrictor (Boa constictor constrictor). Refers to "true" red tail boas such as the Guyana and Suriname locales.

	Boa Constrictor Imperator Boa Constrictor (Boa constrictor imperator). Most common is the Colombian Boa.

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	1.1 One Male and One Female

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[obelix]

I agree with you about buying another, but I love the 2 that I have and can't see selling one of em..
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[yeto]

i would only crossbreed subspecies that do the same on nature, i mean, subspecies that in nature live in the same region, but a suriman with a central american? juggalo gave you a great idea, i own a redtail and a imperator and im going to buy and imperator male for breedin next year (my female is not ready yet), but i would never cross my redtail with an imperator

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[obelix]

Yah I can agree with that. I'm not interesting in breeding at all, but I want to keep them house together cause #1 I always have and #2 the cage is HUGE, a 200 gal aquarium. I would rather they not breed. Since I keep them housed together all the time anyways, do you think they will even attempt to breed? I don't think either one of them is at sexual maturity right now anyways.



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[morti]

There are a lot of good reasons why not to house boas together. Lack of control over the breeding process is one of those.

This Caresheet mentions some of them. If I had more time I'd get really detailed with it.

-Your Sick Uncle Morti.
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[slaponte]

By Tutatis! Listen to them... [img]modules/Forum/images/smiles/icon_smile.gif[/img]
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[faze]

i agree a ca with a suri would be fugly... why not build yourself two cages get a female ca and a male suri breed those two pairs and make the 200 gallon into a reef tank? [img]modules/Forum/images/smiles/icon_wink.gif[/img]

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	Suriname Redtail Boa Red Tail Boa Constrictor (Boa constrictor constrictor) from the locale of Suriname. Considered to be a "True" Red Tail.

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[Ed_r]

I totally agree. Cross breeds like that are really not wanted in the world. If mother nature does it so be it. We don't have that authority. And yes they would be real Fugly. Would be like putting perfume on a pig, or breeding a prize stallion to a mule.
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[Dr.Oviparous]

WOW Faze! you really got this one figured out huh [img]modules/Forum/images/smiles/icon_eek.gif[/img] [img]modules/Forum/images/smiles/icon_lol.gif[/img] [img]modules/Forum/images/smiles/icon_cool.gif[/img] -Juggalo
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[JuliusSqueezer]

Oh the horror...Would you put a Chevy engine in a Porche? While chevy does make some really good engines...a Porche fanatic would surely frown on such a thing and certainly would give you his piece of mind.

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[Snake18]

I also agree with the previous posts. I especially like Faze's Idea. Reef tanks are awesome. I used to have one when i lived in Naples. I went and caught my own stuff for it to. Well everything that was legal anyways.
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[puppy062000]

hey guys. i love my ca. [img]modules/Forum/images/smiles/icon_razz.gif[/img] let's be sesitive of his feelings, he reads the site all the time, ya know. [img]modules/Forum/images/smiles/icon_lol.gif[/img] [img]modules/Forum/images/smiles/icon_lol.gif[/img] anyhow, i agree with the reef idea. those things are beautiful. good luck. [img]modules/Forum/images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif[/img]
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[Drax]

i'm against interspecies breeding of snake species. IMO, God intended each snake to be unique and beautiful in its own right. what right do we have of making our own new species of two seperate ones?

if youi keep the two subspecies together, eventually they will try to mate. i would suggest either selling the 200gal and building a twin cage. or if you want to get another suri or ca, house the two of the same subspecies together and then put the other in another enclosure.
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	Suriname Redtail Boa Red Tail Boa Constrictor (Boa constrictor constrictor) from the locale of Suriname. Considered to be a "True" Red Tail.

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[sophia]

&gt;&gt;i'm against interspecies breeding of snake species. IMO, God intended each snake to be unique and beautiful in its own right. what right do we have of making our own new species of two seperate ones?
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Okay that's one way to look at it but there's another, as they are all subspecies, they all came from a common ancestor to begin with and just evolved differently from there dependant upon their location, not only the climate of the location but the local flora and fauna. All religionist ideology aside, we always return to the scientific point of 'order' of 'which came first' the chicken or the egg argument *G*, but in science the entire group of subspecies' evolved from one original ancestral pairing.

This is why I have a problem with the 'purist' approach to the crossbreeding of reptiles, because crossbreeding in nature is the very reason for the evolution of the species up to the point and range that we have today. Let's face it, even mankind has evolved in this interbreeding scheme, there are very few of us left in the world today that are 'pure' anything. I'm a mutt and I'm probably stronger for it medically speaking.

But that's just my opinion and I've already been through this on another thread and agreed to disagree, so before it gets all heated or anyting, I say pOtAtO and you say pOtahtO... let's call the whole thing off [img]modules/Forum/images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif[/img]

It was just an opinion anyway... and we all know what opinions are like right?

Opinions are like butt holes, everybody has one...
And sometimes they all stink..

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Tay
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[JuliusSqueezer]

well sophia...if ya wanna dig back even further....cornsnakes and boas are also from a common ancestor...should we try and cross them too? If he wants to breed them and have ugly mutt boas...I don't think anything or anyone will be harmed...He just may have a really hard time getting anyone to take any of them....or maybe not....first time boa owners may think they are cool. but anyone who is into reptiles will snub them....I just hate to see them breaking out into the local breeding scene here in Ga. Hopefully they will be represented as exactly what they are and sold/given away as pets and not as breeding stock.

And as for your chicken question....the rooster came first....of course. [img]modules/Forum/images/smiles/icon_wink.gif[/img]
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[sophia]

&gt;&gt;well sophia...if ya wanna dig back even further....cornsnakes and boas are also from a common ancestor...should we try and cross them too? If he wants to breed them and have ugly mutt boas...I don't think anything or anyone will be harmed...He just may have a really hard time getting anyone to take any of them....or maybe not....first time boa owners may think they are cool. but anyone who is into reptiles will snub them....I just hate to see them breaking out into the local breeding scene here in Ga. Hopefully they will be represented as exactly what they are and sold/given away as pets and not as breeding stock.
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&gt;&gt;And as for your chicken question....the rooster came first....of course. [img]modules/Forum/images/smiles/icon_wink.gif[/img]


LOL The rooster my eye! ROFL, and yes they came from a common ancestor, my point however was the 'evolution' of each genus which is a bit different than what's represented in the reply here... hmmm... a boa cornsnake, now that would be a mutt! The snakes we're talking about here are the 'oldest' species of snake (god I need more coffee)... even their original range is 'unknown' to us it has been theorized that the range was originally several hundred miles wider and longer than what we know now and that much interbreeding 'did' in fact go on thus the beautiful morphs that we have to day. If we follow the line of progression that they took to come to the variety and numbers that we have today, their evolutions had a lot to do with climate changes and deforestation of their primary habitats, at the rate we're growing as the human species and expanding upon this planet (sorry Gaia), we will see even more natural morphs occuring and older species dying off (sad but true). That was my point.

Yes we can look at it from a purist point of view and believe me I understand that desire, but in truth it's about as likely as keeping one race of human 'pure' for eternity. It's not going to happen, it's just not the evolutionary way. Mine is to play Devil's advocate and point out the obvious problems with that mindset, after all, how many purists do you know that are really true purists who are breeding these snakes to release back into their natural habitats? That's my idea of a purist and that kind of person is the hero in my book. I can't honestly say that I know of any in the reptile trade, although I have known a few in the fur bearing and feather bearing categories.

I'm not looking for acceptance here, I don't seek validation, I'm just presenting the other point of view.

Now can you tell me why the 'chicken' crossed the road???

Tay [img]modules/Forum/images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif[/img]
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	Morph A morph is a color or pattern variation that is proven to be genetic. Common morphs include albino, anerythristic, gentically striped, Hypomelanistic, and many others. Morphs also include combinations of simple traits such as "Sunglow" which is Albino and Hypomelanistic. These traits may be recessive traits, co-dominant traits, dominant traits, or created through selective breeding (ie Pastel).