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Old 09-26-2004, 02:52 PM
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Starting to notice more aggressive behavior

I have 4 snakes in the house and they are all starting to get a bit more aggressive lately. I guess this probably belongs in the colubrid forum, but since the boa has been the most affected so far I figured I'd post it here.

First, some history. We've had the female boa for about 3 years. She's always been a complete sweetheart, even during feeding, never so much as hissed at anyone let alone bite. She's a bit over 6' and I keep her enclosure warm side in the mid 90s, cool side in the mid to high 80s, and humidity stays around 60% usually (except when she's about to shed). This has been the same for about 3 years.

She gets fed in a feed tote and it's always the same. I put her thawed rat in there and she ignores it for a while. She "sniffs" around the tote, inspects the rat, observes her surroundings for about 10 minutes, inspects the rat again, then starts swallowing the rat. I usually feed every other weekend.

The other day I got the big girl out to take some pictures for a report my daughter was doing in school. When I put the boa on the bed, she got very active, going this way and that, trying to get away. I snapped a couple of pictures and my wife took the boa to put her up since she was acting strange. The boa was a handful, squirming and trying to get away, it was a struggle just to keep ahold of her. Then she struck and latched on to my wife's forearm. I got the boa in her enclosure and tended to Laura's wounds:



A couple of days later was feeding day. I put the big girl in her feeding tote like usual then got her rat. Once she got scent of the rat and before I had even let go, she struck and struck hard. She's never struck at her food, but she hit this one like she meant it.

Now, normally I would think that this could just be kinda curious behavior and continue on with myself. But the odd thing is that the other colubrids in the house are doing the same thing. The timid little corn snake who usually only eats every 3 weeks (and that's only if we give him privacy and let him take his time) is also striking and coiling his rats with a vengence, every time. And the Florida Everglades rat is doing the same. (The baby bull snake does too, but for him it's normal. He's a little eating machine!).

I would point out here that much to my surprise, the boa is the fastest thing in the house. I expected the rat snake to be the fastest. She hits lightning fast, then gets all hopped up and nippy after she eats. I've found that I'm just a hair faster than she is (so far). But the boa, I barely saw her move! It was just a blur! Amazing to watch something that big move that fast...

Anyway, could it be something to do with this time of year? The changing of the seasons? Old age?

There is one other possibility. My daughter, who recently moved in with us, has a pet rat. She is kept upstairs in my daughter's room with the door usually closed. The snakes are downstairs. I don't know exactly how good their sense of smell is, but could they be smelling the rat all the way upstairs and having a feeding response?

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Old 09-26-2004, 03:44 PM
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The feeding response you're describing sounds completely normal. The temperatures you describe for your Boa's enclosure are too high. The hot side should be around 88 ambient, with the cool side around the 78-80 mark.

We used to breed our own feeder rats in the next room to the snake room and we never had problems with feeding responses, as long as we kept all the doors shut, so I don't think the rat upstairs has anything to do with it. Perhaps you or your wife have been handling the rat and still have some smell on you?

I would definately lower the temperatures in your Boa's cage though, straight away. Should be a simple matter of turning the thermostat down until you get the desired temperature gradient.
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I should have specified, the basking spot on her shelf directly below the heat panel stays in the mid 90s. Under that is her normal hang out spot which generally stays in the upper 80's. The other end of the enclosure drops down to around 85. But like I said, that hasn't changed in 3 years so I don't think that is affecting her mood.

It could be that she smelled the rat on the bed. Neither me nor Laura had handled the rat that day, but my daughter did have it on the bed a little while before we got out the boa. Maybe she thought Laura was coming between her and food.

I'd never seen her strike at her food though...

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The rat on the bed earlier that day could definitely have left a scent that could ignite a feeding response in your snake for sure, but that doesn't explain the same behavior in your colubrids unless you are handling them in areas the rat has been also...?
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Ok, well your hot end sounds Ok, but 85 is still too hot at the cool end anyway, you need to try and cool that down if you can. Somtimes they just bite you, for no real reason. It could just be a one off. How often do you handle your snakes generally?
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Ok, well your hot end sounds Ok, but 85 is still too hot at the cool end anyway, you need to try and cool that down if you can. Somtimes they just bite you, for no real reason. It could just be a one off. How often do you handle your snakes generally?
Most of the smaller colubrids get handled once or twice weekly. The big girl doesn't get quite that much attention. I think I probably need to start handling her a bit more...

Think I might also try feeding every weekend for a while and see how they do. Maybe they simply aren't getting enough to eat?? I would think that might make them a bit more aggressive about snatching their food...

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did u say you had the rat out on the bed? ok, do you not mind dead rats on the bed lol
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its his daughters pet rat, lol
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