NLxNorthern ETB.....

[Johnny801]

This is my new ETB neo that will soon be arriving. This animal comes from Dave Torro. The sire is a New Locale ETB and the dam is a Northern ETB. He is a high quality CBB neonate. As soon as he feeds a couple more times, he will make his new home with me.

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	Emerald Tree Boa The Emerald Tree Boa (Corallus caninus) is a species of bright green snake that lives in the rainforests of South America.

[NYCSpeedcore]

Emerald's hands down have to be my favorite snakes... congrads on your new baby!
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[JuliusSqueezer]

Sweet little baby ya got there....I still dunno if I am buying into this New Locale thing though...I'm thinking breeders are getting desperate for something else to call Notherns. I haven't been able to dig up much info from anyone except breeders...no scientific explination or backing I mean. Anyone else know something about this? Where exactly is this new locale?
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[ls1grrrl]

what a little cutie, John! congrats on the new baby [img]modules/Forum/images/smiles/icon_smile.gif[/img]

-Heather
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[CraigC]

Hey Julius,
I think that for lack of a better description, this morph is described as "New Locale".
This term is more relevent to the distinguishing characteristics then to a particular location. Most noted are the "Eye Spots" and basin like laterals. They actually occur in the wild and are not a hype.
CraigC
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	Morph A morph is a color or pattern variation that is proven to be genetic. Common morphs include albino, anerythristic, gentically striped, Hypomelanistic, and many others. Morphs also include combinations of simple traits such as "Sunglow" which is Albino and Hypomelanistic. These traits may be recessive traits, co-dominant traits, dominant traits, or created through selective breeding (ie Pastel).

[Johnny801]

Jules-

There is no specific location designated to a 'New Locale' (NL) ETB. From what I have been able to gather, NL's have been collected from at least 2 separate regions. The term 'NL' is basically a generic term applied to an ETB that does not qualify as a Northern or an Amazon Basin. A NL specimen has qualities (i.e. markings/patterning) of both. NL specimens on average have a profuse amount of white on them. Their white markings are generally thicker and broader, often times connected to form a 'pitchfork' marking. Whereas Northerns on average have fewer amounts of white. With the white markings being thinner. Also, NL specimens possess lateral markings like Basins do. As well as flecks and drip marks. However, NL specimens possess a trait that neither Northerns nor Basins possess. This trait is known as 'Eyespots'. One white circular patch on top of each lobe at the rear of their head. Resembling eyes.

Here are examples of each:

Northern ETB (Pic belonging to and courtesy of Danny Mendez.)


Amazon Basin ETB (Pic and animal belonging to Craig/Karen Clark and courtesy of same.)


NL New Locale ETB (Pic and animal belonging to Danny Mendez and courtesy of same.)


Hope this helps to clear it up for you, Jules. The term 'New Locale' is not just breeders or dealers trying to pin a name on a normal snake.
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	Emerald Tree Boa The Emerald Tree Boa (Corallus caninus) is a species of bright green snake that lives in the rainforests of South America.

[Johnny801]

Here is another example of a 'NL' animal:



(This one is also property and courtesy of Danny Mendez/Urban Jungles. )
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[Swerve]

Congrats on the new emmy..good luck with him/her
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[Johnny801]

Just a bump for JuliusSqueezer.
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[JuliusSqueezer]

OK...I had a friend call me the other day and offer me a male for sale with "eye spots" on his head....must be one of these. Still though...it is a northern....I can't see where the coloring of an animal that varies in pattern so much could claim a different ssp because of a genetic striping trait. The head scales of the NL is that of Northern...I see no connection whatsoever to Basin. Am I wrong?

By the way....I am NOT downing the snake....it is truely remarkable and beautiful. I just wish breeders and importers wouldn't try and make up species names for new selective breeding projects.
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[Johnny801]

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Yes, you are. Northern ETB's do not have lateral markings. Whereas both Basins and NL's do.

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As I'm sure you are well aware of, they are all the same species. Corallus Caninus. A NL is neither a Northern nor an Amazon Basin ETB. Basically, it is the same as the different locales and coloring/patterning of Green Tree Pythons. All the same snake. Just a different variation. An NL is basically a combined mix of the traits of both Northerns and Basins.

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To my knowledge, that is not the case. NL ETB's occur naturally and are collected as such in the wild. They are not part of a selective breeding group. In fact, Basins still command a fairly higher price than NL's. The term 'New Locale' is just that. A term. It is not a given scientific name. It