When it comes to GTP\'s...how do you find out what region th

Squirgle · #1 (**permalink**) 08-21-2002, 04:22 AM

Lets look at this hypothetically for a moment shall we? [img]modules/Forum/images/smiles/icon_smile.gif[/img]
Lets say someone purchased two GTP's in the last few months, but regrettfully this poor soul didn't even know there were different regions before the purchases. Lets also say that the source these GTP's came from is basically a wholesale type business, and lacks significant knowledge on GTP's. So now that this person owns two GTP's and has no local people to ask for identification, how would he find out what type they are? Would he have to wait until they were 'adults', or at least after the color change, or can you tell even when they are still young?

This is all hypothetically of course [img]modules/Forum/images/smiles/icon_rolleyes.gif[/img]
Thanks
Squirgle
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telefrag · #2 (**permalink**) 08-21-2002, 04:33 AM

Well,
it really needs to be documented when they are imported, there are nearly a dozen countries exporting GTP's and some of them are distinct in appearance, others look much like they do on other islands.

If you could post pics, im sure some of us here could take a lucky stab at it.

Luckily, Aru's and Biaks are very distinct, and are easy to tell from others.

Wamena,Sorong,Bokindi (sp?), New Guinea and other locales are a little bit tricky.

Good luck.
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Squirgle · #3 (**permalink**) 08-21-2002, 04:46 AM

I will be able to post pics within a couple of days, but that was one of my questions...they are both still young so will it be possible to tell or do I have to wait until they go green?
Squirgle
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Seany · #4 (**permalink**) 08-21-2002, 04:58 AM

it shouldn't make much of a difference. by the way, I'm assuming you mean hypothetical pictures [img]modules/Forum/images/smiles/icon_lol.gif[/img] [img]modules/Forum/images/smiles/icon_lol.gif[/img] [img]modules/Forum/images/smiles/icon_lol.gif[/img] right?
I'll be pretty impressed if you manage to get pictures of hypothetical snakes [img]modules/Forum/images/smiles/icon_rolleyes.gif[/img]
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najaboy · #5 (**permalink**) 08-21-2002, 05:01 AM

I don't give much credence to localities when it comes to GTP's. They can be refered to as Sorong-type, Aru-type, etc, but unless there is hard and fast documentation on where the snake or its ancestors were collected, it's not a locality-specific GTP.

Here's Trooper Walsh's take on it, from his article in the 6/97 issue of R&A magazine:
<TABLE BORDER=0 ALIGN=CENTER WIDTH=85%><TR><TD><font class="pn-sub">Quote:</font><HR></TD></TR><TR><TD><FONT class="pn-sub"><BLOCKQUOTE>unless the serpents came through Bushmaster Reptiles, or the progeny thereof, I doubt that the animals can be honestly identified as locality-specific. </BLOCKQUOTE></FONT></TD></TR><TR><TD><HR></TD></TR></TABLE>

For some good reading on the "locality debate", go to chondroweb and read the articles posted by Greg Maxwell, Dr. Guido Westhoff, and Damon Salceies.

Sorry for the rant, but I just tend to feel that folks are getting out of hand (no one here on rtb)when it comes to localities.
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Squirgle · #6 (**permalink**) 08-21-2002, 05:10 AM

Najaboy...I'm not really trying to make a big deal out of it or anything, the only reason I was asking was pure curiousity. When I found out there were different types of GTP's I started to wonder if it would be possible to find out what type mine were. Out of pure curiousity. Its not like I'm trying to add a fancy locality title to them so I could turn around and try to impress someone into buying them at an inflated price due to the 'locality'. I'm just wondering.
Seany...of course [img]modules/Forum/images/smiles/icon_razz.gif[/img] hypothetical pictures [img]modules/Forum/images/smiles/icon_smile.gif[/img] I'll have to see what I can do about that.
Squirgle
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najaboy · #7 (**permalink**) 08-21-2002, 05:21 AM

Squirgle, I never meant for it to come accross as if I thought you were, so I apologize if my reply was taken that way.

To answer your question, there is no way to know what locality they really are, even after they mature. They may exhibit some of the characteristics associated with different locality-types, but tey can never be determined to be locality pure.

What I'm trying to say, in a round about sort of way, is that a "generic" chondro is every bit as nice as a locality chondro. Regardless of what localities (or combinations thereof) you might have, enjoy them and be proud of them.
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Squirgle · #8 (**permalink**) 08-21-2002, 05:33 AM

Well thank you Najaboy. I kinda figured that it wouldn't really be possible to tell, but I thought it would be worth asking. [img]modules/Forum/images/smiles/icon_smile.gif[/img] I've come to find that regardless of how they wind up looking as adults I'm going to love owning them the same. Thank you [img]modules/Forum/images/smiles/icon_smile.gif[/img]

Thanks everyone for responding so quickly.
Squirgle

P.S. I will be posting those pics sometime this week. I just recieved my digicam the other day and took some great shots of them already so I hope to post them soon.
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JuliusSqueezer · #9 (**permalink**) 08-23-2002, 04:54 PM

Soundslike a nice plug for Bushmaster Reptiles. I highly doubt however that they are the only breeders or collecters out there that are keeping the lines pure. Chondro and Corallus snobs are everywhere.....as well as muttmakers.....KNOW YOUR BREEDER [img]modules/Forum/images/smiles/icon_smile.gif[/img]
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