mixing poison dart frogs

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Hello. My question is this can you mix different types of poison darts together or can you mix poison darts with other types of frogs. And can i keep them in one of those octagon fish tanks with the uv light and how would i heat it. Can i use a human heat pad attached to the side. Oh another question what type of frogs can i get that have nice colors and are tree dwelling. any info on this would be greatly appreciated. Thank you
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[LdyDrgn]

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thanks for the reply, but I was wondering if anyone from this site had any info on this.
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[herpkingdom]

I've seen at museums and zoos where they have several different color morphs of dart frogs together in one exhibit. I would think it it bo alright as long as you don't go overboard and over crowd the habitat.

As far as mixing dart frogs with other types, I wouldn't recommend doing it. Only because frog of different genus, tend to have different requirements in husbandry. Even some dart frogs need differnet temps that other dart frogs. Keep cheching around for more info.


Here is a link to a site that i found has some great info on dart frogs. I even emailed the owner and he sent me some great info from his own experience.

Poison Dart Frogs.com

Good Luck and keep us posted.


Oh yes, Welcome Aboard!
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	Morph A morph is a color or pattern variation that is proven to be genetic. Common morphs include albino, anerythristic, gentically striped, Hypomelanistic, and many others. Morphs also include combinations of simple traits such as "Sunglow" which is Albino and Hypomelanistic. These traits may be recessive traits, co-dominant traits, dominant traits, or created through selective breeding (ie Pastel).

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Thanks for the web site it has been the best I have been to yet. I think I'm going to purchase all my supplies from them, maybe even the dart frogs too. But the cost for shipping live animals is pretty expensive. Thanks for the info though.
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[trinitywolf]

Even though this is a little late in coming I am going to put in my $.02 here. You really have to consider a lot of things when you are talking about putting dart frogs in together. Putting different species in together is not a good idea and I would strongly discourage it. If you are going to put in several dart frogs in you want to make sure that they will not be territorial. Tincts tend to be quite territorial and the dominate frog will often stress to the point of death the subordinate frog if it has nowhere to get away from the dominate one. If you plan on having water in your tank it may cause a further problem, b/c tincts pin their opponent when sparring and can drown the subordinate frog even if there is sufficient space for the two to co-exist.
I have been thinking of getting a few of these guys for a long time and have done loads of reading, so my info is not from personal experience, but from books and people who have kept them. It seems that there are a lot of factors to consider when starting with these little guys. One of the things that I have been told over and over is that you need to get your cultures and your cage ready before you purchase your first frog. They are not hard to keep, but they are delicate.
It looks like your doing your research first...so Kudos for you! [img]modules/Forum/images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif[/img]
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Yes this is true I'm trying to do all the research I can before I buy them. But the thing is they look so nice I want to keep more than one, the only the I have read so far is that you have to buy a sexed pair to keep them together. I'll try to read more on this subject. Anyone else with info please put your .02. Thanks
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[skadiwolf]

keeping different kinds of poison darts together is NOT recommended by anyone who keeps them.

essentially, many of these frogs are endangered in the wild and interbreeding them is looked down upon to a great extreme.

nevermind that, but many females of different species and subspecies are aggressive to the point that they'll kill other females even in their own subspecies. i would imagine that would be a huge problem.

also, have you considered the egg issues? some are egg eaters, some lay in water, some lay on plants. the confusion here would be extreme and you would probably lose most of your eggs. most female poison darts will devour/destroy eggs of another female in the same subspecies just because males normally care for them and doing this makes him available to breed again.

i don't see any benefit to doing this except for coloring and since you risk losing expensive investments i personally see NO benefit at all.
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[melis]

I do not recommend mixing the frogs. Too often you do not know you have a 'bully' in your tank until you have a bunch die. Many of the frogs can be kept in colonies of the same morph. Sexing ratios are not really important unless you have a dominatrix [img]modules/Forum/images/smiles/icon_smile.gif[/img] in the tank! There have been cases of agressive females killing other frogs.
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	Morph A morph is a color or pattern variation that is proven to be genetic. Common morphs include albino, anerythristic, gentically striped, Hypomelanistic, and many others. Morphs also include combinations of simple traits such as "Sunglow" which is Albino and Hypomelanistic. These traits may be recessive traits, co-dominant traits, dominant traits, or created through selective breeding (ie Pastel).

[atheris]

well, i guess i'm gonna be the odd one out here, because i've been keeping tincs(who i've found to be HUGE WIMPS), auratus and E.tricolors together for a few years now, and have had no problems at all. granted, i think i have same sex pairs of all three species, no, i know i have same sex pairs, but still, there has been absolutely no fighting between the much larger tincs and auratus and the tiny tricolors, nor has there been any interbreeding between my male auratus and female tincs. being that the thread(or whatever its called!) has been inactive for a month, i don't know if the person who asked the original question will see this post, but i still thought it might be interesting for people to see that even though the first 5 or so replies all agreed that it is a bad idea, there can be, and are exceptions, and if you are diligent in watch how things progress with new mixes of animals, you can find ways to make it work. i do, however, agree that interbreeding would be undesirable, and have heard something about tincs and auratus breeding, so i guess i've been lucky insofar as that is concerned..... ciao!!
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[melis]

What size tank do you have everyone in?

I think it depends upon a lot of things. Each of the species you list have their own 'temperments & personalities'. Funny that you find the tincs to be whimps, which variety do you have?


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[kevin85193]

I read your post, took a nap and then I dreamnt that I was in a pet store with poisen dart frogs, lol! I was about to ask the guy how the handle and then there was a open goldfish tank next to me and I hit it and knocked some water out of it. I cleaned the mess up and then I woke up.

sorry, just had to share. [img]modules/Forum/images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif[/img]
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[atheris]

hey melis. it took a while for me to reply because i haven't got a computer, and when i do have access to one, i can't always make time to surf and check out forums and the lke. anyhoo, as far as the variety of the tincs i keep, well, i'm just not sure. had i checked it out before sending this reply, i guess i could have had a pretty good guess, but i didn't, and i don't, so i do not know. and while it is true that each species does tend to have thier own personality and disposition, i also have found that with all animals, from spiders to humans, have INDIVIDUAL uniquenesses in thier personalities, along with the many other factors that can influence the behaviour of an animal, like relationships between cagemates, etc... an example would be the 2 E.tricolors i have together, both male, one is far more active, far more vocal, and les frightened of thge giant hands that frequently invade thier environment and remove and replace thier pools and rotting fruit trays. he is actually sometime so brave as to hop up onto said hand and sit there while the hand brings it close to a giant face and eyeball for a close look at his beautiful little frogginess(i am obviously very careful when doing this, not to have him jump off and land 6 feet below on the floor, or whatever. i keep him directly over, and, as much as possible, in his tank, as i can!). ya, hes a cool frog! the other tricolor is probably the second bravest, but i never force them to be held, unless absolutely neccesary, so he doesn't hang out with me like his tiny buddy does. the tincs are whimps, but not particularilly so with human interation. they won't approach the hand, but they don't flee as quickly as the auratus do. they do, however, act quite whimpy when feeding, as though they are afraid of crickets that are too large. the tricolors actually will take larger prey than they!being maybe 1/3 the size, this makes me laugh!lastly, the auratus are extremely frightened of hands, but not so much of the other frogs, or of largeish crickets. and the tank they are in is a 50 gallon long(approx.4'X15"X20&quot. ciao!
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