Poison Dart Frog literature

[trinitywolf]

I have been considering getting a few of these for quite some time. I would really like to get a good book about them and take some time to read and decide whether I want to make that jump or no. If anyone has read any good books, sites, or has good knowlede they want to pass along, I would love to hear it.

Thanks,

Ted
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[telefrag]

Check out
Poison Dart Frogs
Care in captivity

by Ralf Hessulhaus ( think thats correct)

it may be out of print, but I can let you borrow my copy if you really want to.

Or if you need the ISBN # , I can PM you with it when I get home.
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Its called
Poison Dart Frogs
natural history and care in captivity

ISBN 0-88359-031-x

It is out of print.

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[trinitywolf]

I'll check around for that book. Usually you can find a used copy...and ebay is a wonderful thing. [img]modules/Forum/images/smiles/icon_wink.gif[/img]
Thanks for the suggestion Matt.
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[telefrag]

Anytime Ted,

if you dont have any luck,
I would be more than happy to let you borrow my copy.

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[trinitywolf]

LMAO!!
Ok...B&N has an out of print copy of that book for the low, low price of $50.50. WHAT A STEAL. The book only list for probably $10 when it was brand new. I think that maybe I will keep looking. If I don't find something else good, I might take you up on your offer to borrow it Matt.


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[telefrag]

Actually, I bought my 2nd print copy for 15$ at a herp show in 95.
HA!

I have seen it go for 30 on ebay.

Its a pretty in demand book.
Its one of the more complete writings on the subject, done by someone with great knowledge on the subject, not some guy who has written books about dogs, hamsters, and snakes (ehem, TFH publications)
I dont think I have ever seen a publisher have writers with such a broad scope of interests.
LMAO!
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[trinitywolf]

yeah...I always know to stay away from the books from TFH. They must be the most underpaid geniuses ever! LOL

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RTB's book lending library opening up now ? hehe
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Um, I always thought they were called dart poison frogs?
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[JuliusSqueezer]

poison dart frog is more common...dart poison frog is also used as is poison arrow frogs...doesn't matter though...as far as common names go, one is as good as the other. If you want to be specific about a certain frog you will have to use scientific names ...cause noone will know which pretty blue dart frog you are talking about unless you specify.
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[telefrag]

Im not allowed to use latin names anymore [img]modules/Forum/images/smiles/icon_frown.gif[/img]
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[JuliusSqueezer]

hahahahaha

hey frag...wolf...one of you guys has to change avators...reading this thread just made me blind LOL
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<TABLE BORDER=0 ALIGN=CENTER WIDTH=85%><TR><TD><font class="pn-sub">Quote:</font><HR></TD></TR><TR><TD><FONT class="pn-sub"><BLOCKQUOTE>reading this thread just made me blind LOL </BLOCKQUOTE></FONT></TD></TR><TR><TD><HR></TD></TR></TABLE>

UMM JUls ?
You KNOW that what your mother always told you about doing that sort of thing and that it would lead to blindness..Was gonna take place if you continued with it. [I]Trying to blame these two guys is nOT going to allevaite you from what your own actions have caused [img]modules/Forum/images/smiles/icon_lol.gif[/img] [img]modules/Forum/images/smiles/icon_lol.gif[/img] [img]modules/Forum/images/smiles/icon_lol.gif[/img] hahahaha


<TABLE BORDER=0 ALIGN=CENTER WIDTH=85%><TR><TD><font class="pn-sub">Quote:</font><HR></TD></TR><TR><TD><FONT class="pn-sub"><BLOCKQUOTE>cause noone will know which pretty blue dart frog you are talking about unless you specify. </BLOCKQUOTE></FONT></TD></TR><TR><TD><HR></TD></TR></TABLE>

The one most people are refering to when talking about the pretty lil blue ones in the darts is the Dendrobates azureus ..blue dart frog. This one does carry a high end price tag with it btw. I believe this is/was due to it being on endangered species lists and hard to obtain in the states here is why. It is now being bred and cb can be obtained quite readily though in the states here. Just expect to pay like upwards of $100 for one specimen is all. [pricing last i checked that is [img]modules/Forum/images/smiles/icon_eek.gif[/img] ]. It's local is basically the southern area of surinam. Hopefully demand and the avid cb breeding of this specific dendrobates will soon lower it's cost [img]modules/Forum/images/smiles/icon_smile.gif[/img] I don't have one of this particular dart atm, just can't bring myself to pay this much for one teensy lil froggie yet hehe.

Ones that are good for beginners though are the ..
Dendrobates auratus...green and black dart frog: This one is quite readily available in the herp world as cb in the states here. Think this is the one that has become established as &quot;The beginner's dart frog&quot; even. It is a slightly larger sized frog and also easier to feed when kept than most of the other ones. This one also is the one that is most likely to be forgiving in husbandry and more readily adjusts to caging/terrarium conditions than other darts .. dendrobates. The price tag on this one also is on the low range.. You should be able to obtain one of this specimen in the area of $25 np that is cb. My kids here call this one the &quot;alien&quot; frog lol.

Dendrobates leucomelas...yellow banded dart frog : These ones are captive bred majorly in the states here and not hard to obtain a specimen at all due to such. This one is like mid range in cost though. I think i paid like $35 each for mine [ but that was awhile ago and also with a lil discount too hehe] Believe that this is also the one that gets refered to as the &quot;bumble bee dart frog also [ someone correct me if I am wrong though please].

No matter which specific dart ya choose to go with they make a wonderful and colorful display frog to keep. Weeeell most do, there are actually some ugly ones imo.



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Well, really this is exactly the type of debate I was trying to stir up [img]modules/Forum/images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif[/img]

See where scientific names are handy? So why waste your time trying to learn a bunch of other stuff when the scientific names are always correct?

Ain't I a stinker?
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[JuliusSqueezer]

You are one strange little homo canadius Jay hehe (I refuse to accept that canadians are the same species as the rest of us.)
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We're a subspecies, homo sapien canadius, a superior, more evolved subspecies [img]modules/Forum/images/smiles/icon_razz.gif[/img] [img]modules/Forum/images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif[/img]
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<TABLE BORDER=0 ALIGN=CENTER WIDTH=85%><TR><TD><font class="pn-sub">Quote:</font><HR></TD></TR><TR><TD><FONT class="pn-sub"><BLOCKQUOTE> Well, really this is exactly the type of debate I was trying to stir up </BLOCKQUOTE></FONT></TD></TR><TR><TD><HR></TD></TR></TABLE>

MOSt of us are NOT trying to &quot;stir up&quot; debates in relation to this scientific / comon names thing at all like you state that you are. All we are trying to do is make it possible for BOTH types of persons to understand what specie / reptile/ etc is being talked about in the posting is all. NOT everyone KNOWS what a specific specimen is from a scientific name, but they might recognize it from the common name. When given BOTh scientific AND common names in a post...It would serve multi intent even for those reading it.
Those whom recognize it from scientific and/or those recognizing it from common name.. will BOTH/ALL be able to understand which specicif specie is being mentioned in the post/thread.
Those not familiar with either form of the species name will be able to learn the other name that is used. aka educating or the like [img]modules/Forum/images/smiles/icon_eek.gif[/img] NOT all of us have been text book learned or lost in a search engine world [img]modules/Forum/images/smiles/icon_eek.gif[/img] Like I have said previously, there are MANY of us who learn from others knowledge when they share such. Isn't that what this site is all about anyways ? The sharing of knowledge in regards to exotics, especially herps ?

<TABLE BORDER=0 ALIGN=CENTER WIDTH=85%><TR><TD><font class="pn-sub">Quote:</font><HR></TD></TR><TR><TD><FONT class="pn-sub"><BLOCKQUOTE>See where scientific names are handy? </BLOCKQUOTE></FONT></TD></TR><TR><TD><HR></TD></TR></TABLE>

NEVER said that they weren't. Just asked others to share their knowledge in such area with others here on RTB is all. [img]modules/Forum/images/smiles/icon_wink.gif[/img]

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Don't see it as wasting time at all actually. Allthough I do see it as wasting time trying to read/understand a post that I have no knowledge of what the latin name is refering to at all. hence the request[s] for the common name[s] in order to understand what specie is being referenced in the post/thread is all. What's so hard to understand in regards to this ?

BTW.. The scientific names are not always correct .. Dang things keep changing for some species. Which unless one was clued into such change, they would still have the wrong name of the specie in question possibly.

Placing BOTH the common name and the scientific name in a post allows ALL to know what specie is being referenced, no matter what level their knowledge basing is at atm. ABove in my posting on the Dendrobates ... BOTH common and scientific being used.. allows those that don't know the scientific names to not only see what they are, but also learn them by both common and latin names. Get it yet ? [img]modules/Forum/images/smiles/icon_rolleyes.gif[/img]


BTW.. The dendrobates..dart frogs are about the only specie I actually know the latin on lol.

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[telefrag]

I figured you for homo erectus J....


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Do I &quot;get it&quot;? Yes, I've always &quot;gotten&quot; it. I just don't subscribe to intellectual sponge methodology for learning. If you do, groovy. Don't try to force the rest of us to though.

If everyone strove to learn the names, we'd all have one language to learn and everyone would know what everyone else is talking about. But some of us learn both so others don't have to? Rather than fight the scientific names, try and figure them out as they come. Bet ya the first hit on a search on the common name will give you the scientific name, and vice versa.

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Some of us have used scientific names for long enough we don't remember the common names for less common creatures.

Does that mean if I'm talking about a black ratsnake (common name) I also have to say black snake, pilot snake and chicken snake? They're ALL common names for Elaphe Obsoleta. There's only one scientific name though.

And if you don't know anything about the animal in question, what difference does it make what it's called? Does knowing the common name rather than the scientific name somehow gain you more knowledge?

Anyway, I was using this example to prove my point about common names being useless for discerning which species (or sub) is being discussed...that was the main point.




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